tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post116877399258244259..comments2023-07-07T01:53:48.487-06:00Comments on What's Wrong With This Picture?: Roberts Rules of DisorderM.G. Bralleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10083864482181744657noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post-5574426774496290292007-04-23T09:06:00.000-06:002007-04-23T09:06:00.000-06:00VERY in depth, thanks.From the perspective of the ...VERY in depth, thanks.<BR/><BR/>From the perspective of the guy standing in the Board meeting trying to keep the place safe and orderly, I think Sgt. Murray was in a lousy position. APS Security-Police sergeants are the lowest form of administrator on the APS totem pole - they get overtime. But they are still firmly administrators, with no protection from the union. As least that is how it was when I left there in 1999.<BR/><BR/>The point I am trying to make is that Kim, who I was on the hiring committee for and lent my firearm to so he could complete the cert by waiver academy here after coming from California, has to do what they say if he wants to keep his job. I KNOW the kind of pressure you can be under from people who don't understand the legalities of taking someone's freedom of ANYTHING away from them. APS sent Kim to the academy to learn NM laws about when you can detain, arrest, etc. Perhaps they should let the safety and security professionals know what they want them to do AFTER they make sure it is legal, not WHILE they are checking? Cops can't always plan, things happen quick, but lawyers and administrators usually can.<BR/><BR/>I think Kim was trying to do his SECURITY duties as directed, but the board wanted him to use his SPECIAL DEPUTY authority. Kim wisely chose not to. I was not there and cannot say for sure, but I bet Ched was perfectly in order and in tune with Robert's Rules. Kim and Ched, under different circumstances, would have amazing multi-syllabic discussions that only people with astronomical IQs could understand. Both men are ethical and well-versed in legal knowledge and philosophy. If they are not already friends, I think they could be. Someone else put them at cross-purposes.Joseph Lopezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02507143050779744224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post-1169259209794192432007-01-19T19:13:00.000-07:002007-01-19T19:13:00.000-07:00I have seen the board of education agendas posted ...I have seen the board of education agendas posted on the APS website but they are only available approximately one week before the meeting. I would assume this would make it impossible to submit an agenda item 7 days prior to the meeting for approval and to try to coordinate the item with the agenda/meeting discussions.<BR/>I have also seen the agendas available at the meetings but not consistently.<BR/>I really appreciate your legal points in these matters and agree that the board does not have a firm grasp on either the laws nor their own policies.<BR/>At the last meeting that I went to, I challenged Lucero on whether or not the board creates policies. He said they did not create or make policy but they approved the policy.<BR/>I further challenged this by quoting the board's own policy on making policies (I know this sounds like "Who's on First" and, believe me, that is exactly how I felt.)<BR/>I was then thanked for my thoughts and summarily dismissed.<BR/>I most certainly did not project a gadfly-ish tone in my question but I was definitely treated as if I was not to be dealt with in any civil manner.<BR/>Hopefully, the communication will get better and the upcoming elections may actually produce some positive results.<BR/>Thanks again for your considerable knowledge in this arena.<BR/>:)NBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08693376789638443376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post-1169108402273180022007-01-18T01:20:00.000-07:002007-01-18T01:20:00.000-07:00Sir,Pls revisit the language on Robert's Rules at ...Sir,<BR/><BR/>Pls revisit the language on Robert's Rules at regular meetings. I understood it to ignore other meetings as opposed establishing a rule for them.<BR/><BR/>In the absence of a specific removal, the meetings are similarly bound, by logic and accountability to any reasonable standard of conduct.ched macquigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433039009492338854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post-1169104736762006492007-01-18T00:18:00.000-07:002007-01-18T00:18:00.000-07:00Also thanks for your description and analysis of t...Also thanks for your description and analysis of the Jan. 4 Policy Committee Meeting. So many public officials don't understand the requirements of free speech and open meetings. Maybe the new Attorney General should have a training session just for the school board, since I bet none of them attended his training on it in Santa Fe. <BR/><BR/>I was there because I heard they were going to take the public comment off the agenda, and therefore probably off the filmed record, too.<BR/><BR/>Is there ever a written agenda for these meetings, posted on their website and available at the beginning of the meeting, like there is for the City Council ones? Not the ones I have been to. How can a person sign up in advance to speak on an issue if they don't know what will come up or how it will be presented?<BR/><BR/>I thought someone on the board said that a person could ask about issues as they came up, but they didn't say how that was to happen. I raised my hand several times, for quite a while, but they never acknowledged me. (Maybe they thought I was going to comment in support of Mr. MacQuigg, or object to the way he was treated.) <BR/><BR/>I wanted to ask them, on the record, whether taking the public comment period off the agenda meant taking it off the filmed record, since that hadn't been mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24946442.post-1169091485549265622007-01-17T20:38:00.000-07:002007-01-17T20:38:00.000-07:00thank you sir, for your coveragethere is a public ...thank you sir, for your coverage<BR/><BR/>there is a public record of a complaint filed with the NMAGO regarding the handling of motions by the executive committe.<BR/><BR/>They killed two motions; one would have required truthtelling in response to questions; the other honest accountability for the leadership to the student standard of conduct.<BR/><BR/>The AG ruled that the power to refuse to put an item on the agenda, and therefore prevent it from being policy, was not policy making.ched macquigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433039009492338854noreply@blogger.com